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Article: 102450
Subject: Re: WARNING:iMPACT:923 - Can not find cable, check cable setup !
From: Brian Drummond <brian_drummond@btconnect.com>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:26:05 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:13:16 -0500, "Scope" <romaingoron@hotmail.fr>
wrote:

>I have a problem : I can't download files on the chip because Impact
>doesn't recognize my cable. I am using the "Digilent JTAG3 low cost
>parallel to JTAG cable" which is included with the starter kit. When I
>launch a Cable autodetect on Impact, I have this message :

>Connecting to cable (Parallel Port - LPT1).
>Checking cable driver.
> Driver windrvr6.sys version = 7.0.0.0.Cable connection failed.

You say it's a parallel cable ... which parallel port is it on?

Do you have any dongles (modules for software licence etc) on that
parallel port? 

I am using Xilinx Parallel Cable 4, and it is not recognised by Impact
if I also have the dongle for HDL Designer installed on the same port.
So I have to unplug the dongle (and lose HDL Designer) when using the
Xilinx PC4.

Also, does this parallel cable have another power connection (e.g. to a
mouse port) like the Xilinx PC4? That power connection is necessary.

- Brian

Article: 102451
Subject: Re: USB2 camera to Xilinx ML40x boards
From: soar2morrow@yahoo.com
Date: 16 May 2006 08:29:32 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
This is why I am going the Firewire route; I looked into USB webcams
first and found that there is no standardization, unlike Firewire:

http://staff.science.uva.nl/~fransve/literature/1394/IIDC_Spec_v1_30.pdf

Perhaps Xilinx is working (or collaborating) on a Firewire core,
Austin?

Tom


Article: 102452
Subject: Re: Actel Fusion FPGAs
From: "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 08:43:10 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
the ARM license agreement that Actel has doesnt work at all for 'small
guys'

the ARM license fee per device is 1USD for qty 100,000 for smaller
quantities it scales down.

ARM enabled license fee (eg price for the pre-programmed encryption
key!) for PA3 in qty <=10 is about 120USD
it better than linear scale what would be 100,000 USD but its still
ridicilous. But thats the way the ARM deal was made.
to my knowledge Actel can not offer the ARM enabled devices in small
quantity without the scaled license fee

Antti


Article: 102453
Subject: Re: sending multiple char on RS232
From: "YiQi" <yiqihuang@gmail.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 08:51:17 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
the problem has solved by adding a extra clock cycle between 4 and 5,
but I still don't understand why that will work. Maybe need to wait
longer for sending the byte. If someone know, please tell me.  anyway,


thanks Mike~!


Article: 102454
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: "Peter Alfke" <peter@xilinx.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 09:00:30 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Antti,
The numbers for the LUT delay differences from the various inputs are
not in the data sheet, but they are (and have been for years) in the
speeds files used by the software, and are (and have been) thus also
reported in any performance reports.
Regarding the DSP columns, I do not know where you read the number 10
(please tell me so we can fix that mistake).
Far more relevant is the number of such slices, and the max is 192 in
the 5VLX330.

Peter Alfke


Article: 102455
Subject: Re: USB2 camera to Xilinx ML40x boards
From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@skynet.be>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:04:09 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
>> Does any one have any software (or experience) to share (or sell)
>> concerning bringing a USB2 camera image into a XILINX ML401, ML402, or
>> ML403 board.
>> 
> I looked into trying to get a USB camera working on the ML402.  The
> problem is that the ML40x boards are really designed to be USB
> peripherals and not masters.  The webcams all seem to have proprietary
> interfaces (above the USB layer) and the only real way to use them is
> with a Windows driver.  No webcam manufacturers publish the specs on
> talking to the camera.  You might have better luck connecting to one of
> the cameras with a standard interface.  These are much more expensive
> though.  -Kevin

If you can configure the ML402 to behave as a USB master, you can find lots
of information regarding the webcam protocols in the Linux kernel sources.
Many USB webcams are supported by the spca5xx or pwc drivers, and recent
Logitech webcams (Fusion, Pro for Notebook, Pro 5000 and the latest
Orbit/Sphere) are supported by the linux-uvc driver.

Laurent Pinchart


Article: 102456
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 09:12:26 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
ug193 page 13

"Virtex-5 family members have one, two, six, or ten DSP48E columns."


Article: 102457
Subject: Re: USB2 camera to Xilinx ML40x boards
From: pbdelete@spamnuke.ludd.luthdelete.se.invalid
Date: 16 May 2006 16:23:51 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
soar2morrow@yahoo.com wrote:
>This is why I am going the Firewire route; I looked into USB webcams
>first and found that there is no standardization, unlike Firewire:
>http://staff.science.uva.nl/~fransve/literature/1394/IIDC_Spec_v1_30.pdf

My impression of usb is 'toys'. This is esp for electrical if & overhead.

>Perhaps Xilinx is working (or collaborating) on a Firewire core,

Add a firewire PHY ..?


Article: 102458
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: "Peter Alfke" <peter@xilinx.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 10:03:31 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Antti, that's what happens when we release a family in several
installments.
As you can imagine, there will be an "SX" subfamily, and it will have
more DSP columns, up to ten.
Now you guys know one more deep secret...
Peter Alfke


Article: 102459
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 10:15:31 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I did guess that actually. Well the logic in SX doesnt scale with the
DSP columns, but still it will be heavy crunching engine :)

Antti


Article: 102460
Subject: Re: Xilinx or Altera...
From: "Steve Knapp (Xilinx Spartan-3 Generation FPGAs)" <steve.knapp@xilinx.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 10:37:51 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

BigWorm wrote:
> Has anyone implemented DDR2 333Mhz (667Mbps) using Altera or Xilinx FPGA's?
>
>
> Thanks

For Xilinx, yes.  Check out the following link for reference designs
and the Memory Interface Generator (MIG) tool.

DDR/DDR2 SDRAM
http://www.xilinx.com/products/design_resources/mem_corner/resource/xaw_dram_ddr.htm

-- Steve Knapp


Article: 102461
Subject: Re: USB2 camera to Xilinx ML40x boards
From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@skynet.be>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:39:19 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
> This is why I am going the Firewire route; I looked into USB webcams
> first and found that there is no standardization, unlike Firewire:
> 
> http://staff.science.uva.nl/~fransve/literature/1394/IIDC_Spec_v1_30.pdf

http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/USB_Video_Class_1_1.zip

Laurent Pinchart


Article: 102462
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: "Marc Reinig" <Marco@newsgroups.nospam>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:44:28 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
We are currently planning on the V4 SX55, but really could use more speed, 
pins, MACs and less power.  Looks like the speed increases slightly, 
possibly more with the rearranged MAC; the power is down, that's good; will 
there be an increase in the MACs and pins available?  Any indication of a 
release date for samples?
Marco
________________________
Marc Reinig
UCO/Lick Observatory
Laboratory for Adaptive Optics



Article: 102463
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: "Peter Alfke" <peter@xilinx.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 10:50:31 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Marc, not on a public newsgroup.
Send me an e-mail for more details...

peter@xilinx.com


Article: 102464
Subject: Re: Virtex 5 announced and sampling
From: Austin Lesea <austin@xilinx.com>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:54:20 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Marc,

Please contact your local Xilinx FAE.

You might be a good candidate for early access.

Austin

Marc Reinig wrote:

> We are currently planning on the V4 SX55, but really could use more speed, 
> pins, MACs and less power.  Looks like the speed increases slightly, 
> possibly more with the rearranged MAC; the power is down, that's good; will 
> there be an increase in the MACs and pins available?  Any indication of a 
> release date for samples?
> Marco
> ________________________
> Marc Reinig
> UCO/Lick Observatory
> Laboratory for Adaptive Optics
> 
> 

Article: 102465
Subject: Re: Floating point reality check
From: Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Karlstr=F6m?= <perk@isy.liu.se>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:12:13 +0000 (UTC)
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 2006-05-16, Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com> wrote:
> Kevin Neilson wrote:
>
>> 
>> That's pretty impressive.  How did you implement the carry-kill chain, 
>> or whatever they call the ciruit that finds the location of the leading 
>> '1'?  This can be made with a carry chain, but I don't know if it would 
>> work with a 2.5ns period. -Kevin
>
> A clever use of DSP48 and BRAM blocks.  The fabric carry chain 
> definitely won't reach 400MHz, especially with 30 bits.

Im just curious on how many pipeline-stages/clock-cycles it takes for
one sample to be processed. And also how many of these pipeline-stages
does the normalization use.

       \Per

Article: 102466
Subject: Re: Actel Fusion FPGAs
From: Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:36:42 +1200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Antti wrote:
> the ARM license agreement that Actel has doesnt work at all for 'small
> guys'
> 
> the ARM license fee per device is 1USD for qty 100,000 for smaller
> quantities it scales down.
> 
> ARM enabled license fee (eg price for the pre-programmed encryption
> key!) for PA3 in qty <=10 is about 120USD
> it better than linear scale what would be 100,000 USD but its still
> ridicilous. But thats the way the ARM deal was made.
> to my knowledge Actel can not offer the ARM enabled devices in small
> quantity without the scaled license fee

Given these factors
a) High cost of license
b) high cost of the fabric to deploy the core

why would _anyone_ design this into a system ?

It seems like someone in marketing's idea, that never hit an
engineering or accounting reality check....

There are surely, much better ways for Actel to approach SoftCPUs

-jg


Article: 102467
Subject: Re: Actel Fusion FPGAs
From: Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:51:35 +1200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Jim Granville wrote:
> 
> Given these factors
> a) High cost of license
> b) high cost of the fabric to deploy the core
> 
> why would _anyone_ design this into a system ?
> 
> It seems like someone in marketing's idea, that never hit an
> engineering or accounting reality check....
> 
> There are surely, much better ways for Actel to approach SoftCPUs

to add some more examples :

... Such as this item, in todays news ?

http://www.eeproductcenter.com/embedded/brief/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=187203441



Article: 102468
Subject: Re: Microblaze dcm_module problems
From: "Guru" <ales.gorkic@email.si>
Date: 16 May 2006 12:53:26 -0700
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I am not an expert in DCMs, but I think that multiplication factor
times input frequency must not exceed the FPGAs maximum alowable
frequency (about 200MHz for Spartan3).

Cheers,  Guru


Article: 102469
Subject: Re: Actel Fusion FPGAs
From: "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 13:04:51 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Well Actel is really trying only to fry the big fish only. They dont
care about small players at all.

PA3/Fusion with ARM in qty may make sense, but... well at those
quantities it may as well be ASIC or that thing from ST that offers
fixed ARM with user ASIC block.

When actel announced the PA+ I immediatly obtained the kit, only to be
disappointed, then waited for PA3 for 3 years to come?? And now waiting
for Fusion kit, it was ordered DEC 2005 (from stock delivery promise),
as of last info it may arrive in June/July. 2007 I hope

Antti


Article: 102470
Subject: Re: Xilinx Platform Cable USB protocol specifications and/or open-source firmware replacement
From: ghelbig@lycos.com
Date: 16 May 2006 13:10:56 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
And you're surprized that they're not giving away their design?

Not to rain on your parade, but the typical FPGA engineer has spent a
hundred bucks or so on the part, a grand or two on the PCB, and 1/2 a
man-year on the code.  $38 for a JTAG dongle is down in the noise.

If it's hobby use you're after, you can stretch the JTAG signals off of
your card to another target.

There is an open-JTAG effort on SourceForge.  You might want to check
it out.


Article: 102471
Subject: Virtex4 FX12 dynamic clock divider
From: "Guru" <ales.gorkic@email.si>
Date: 16 May 2006 13:10:57 -0700
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Hi everyone,

For my design, which is implemented in Virtex-4 FX12 (speed grade -10)
I need to get an adjustable (in operation) clock of frequency 30 to 66
MHz with the smallest possible increments. On the board I have 100MHz
oscillator from which I tried to get 400 MHz (the higher the frequency
the smaller the clock adjusting increments) using EDK 8.1's DCM (CLKFX
4/1). From this DCM I also power the PPC at 200MHz (CLK2X).
I coupled the 400MHz clock to clock divider using rising edge as a
process reference and an integer counter. This configuration does NOT
work. The first problem is the frequency - EDK can compile my design if
I lower the frequency to 200MHz, which is unaceptable. The other
problem is a structure of my clock divider - if I make a process with
rising edge detection the clock divider can only be even (clock is
always divided by a factor of two!).
How to build a fast dual edge (DDR) clock divider in VHDL?
Is there any other way to solve my problem?

Help wanted,

Guru


Article: 102472
Subject: Re: Xilinx or Altera...
From: "Slurp" <slip@slop.slap>
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:14:55 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

"Steve Knapp (Xilinx Spartan-3 Generation FPGAs)" <steve.knapp@xilinx.com> 
wrote in message 
news:1147801070.929310.24500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> BigWorm wrote:
>> Has anyone implemented DDR2 333Mhz (667Mbps) using Altera or Xilinx 
>> FPGA's?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
> For Xilinx, yes.  Check out the following link for reference designs
> and the Memory Interface Generator (MIG) tool.
>
> DDR/DDR2 SDRAM
> http://www.xilinx.com/products/design_resources/mem_corner/resource/xaw_dram_ddr.htm
>
> -- Steve Knapp
>

Or even easier use Alteras' DDR2 megafunction

http://www.altera.com/products/ip/iup/memory/m-alt-ddr2_sdram.html

Slurp 



Article: 102473
Subject: Re: Microblaze dcm_module problems
From: andrew.hood@gmail.com
Date: 16 May 2006 13:25:54 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
It's my understanding that CLKFX = CLKIN *
(C_CLKFX_MULTIPLY/C_CLKFX_DIVIDE).  Therefore, everything should be
cool, no?


Article: 102474
Subject: Re: Virtex4 FX12 dynamic clock divider
From: "Peter Alfke" <peter@xilinx.com>
Date: 16 May 2006 13:36:17 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
The best way to create clocks with tiny increments is using Direct
Digital Synthesis (DDS), a.k.a. phase accumulation. You just build a
long accumulator, clock it from your 100 MHz (200 MHz would be better),
and you can get at its MSB any frequency you want with any granularity
you want (I built a circuit with 1 Hz resolution, but you can also get
1 millihertz.)
The catch is jitter. You will create an unavoidable worst-case jitter
of one clock period (10 ns or 5 ns in your case.)
Reducing that jitter is very complicated.
Peter Alfke, Xilinx Applications




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