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Article: 26500
Subject: Re: Sinusoidal PWM on a Xilinx FPGA
From: Santiago de Pablo <sanpab@dali.eis.uva.es>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:37:42 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
andrew_f66@my-deja.com escribió:
> 
> I'm a student doing my final year project. My
> task is to build a sinusoidal PWM generator on an
> FPGA to control an induction motor. I have been
> told I have to digitally compare a sine wave with
> the triangular modulating wave to produce the
> PWM. My problem is how to generate the digital
> values for the sine wave.
> 
> Someone suggested programming an EEPROM with sine
> wave values, but this doesn't seem very flexible
> to me. Can anyone think of a better way of
> generating the Sine wave (Or anything else
> helpful?)
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

Hi,

  You can use the sine wave table as suggested, but maybe a 64 word
table for 0º to 90º is not too much for the FPGA (just 2 CLB/bit), and
you compute the other angles based on it. Surely the induction motor
will not see the (low) resolution you use.

  Cheers, Santiago.

Article: 26501
Subject: Re: Virtex-E and ADC
From: Newsbrowser@Newsbrowser.com (Newsbrowser)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:00:53 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:21:36 +0200, Marc Reinert
<reinert@tu-harburg.de> wrote:

>Has anybody a good solution to connect a ADC (e. g. AD9054A 200Ms / I've
>got a free sample:-) to a Virtex-E FPGA.
>
>I'm sorry, I've no concept of the analog part of my circuit. Do I have
>to put a amplifier etc. in front of my analog input.
>
>Has anybody a made a similar design?
>
>I'll be happy if anybody has some useful hints - thank U
>
>Marc
>
What is this a Homework assignment ?

If you can't look at the datasheet and assorted app notes and figure
it out for yourself. You deserve to fail 


Return Email Address is: 
ralphwat dot home at excite dot com 

Article: 26502
Subject: Re: Virtex-E and ADC
From: Marc Reinert <reinert@tu-harburg.de>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:58:32 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Thank You, really good example circuit. I'll see if it'll help me to
devise good ideas.

Furthermore I hope it was not a to big strain for You.

Marc 

Newsbrowser schrieb:

> What is this a Homework assignment ?
> 
> If you can't look at the datasheet and assorted app notes and figure
> it out for yourself. You deserve to fail
> 
> Return Email Address is:
> ralphwat dot home at excite dot com

Article: 26503
Subject: Stupid Virtex Trick...
From: nweaver@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Nicholas Weaver)
Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:16:03 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
	Xilinx has a cute little app note on how to make a sigma/delta
DAC on a Virtex.  Has anyone tried using this with a small comparitor
circuit to make a low sample rate ADC?
-- 
Nicholas C. Weaver                                 nweaver@cs.berkeley.edu

Article: 26504
Subject: Re: Virtex pull-up/down resistors question
From: Nicolas Matringe <nicolas.matringe@IPricot.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:18:49 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Ray Andraka a écrit :
> 
> They do pull up outside the part, but they are too weak to be
> considered a reliable pullup for additional pins tied to the net.  Use
> an external pull-up if you have other components on the net.  (the
> Virtex pull up value is in the 100's of K ohms).

That's what I thought a moment later
Besides, the current must be sourced by the FPGA if another driver is
low.

-- 
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Article: 26505
Subject: Spartan II ?
From: Paul Smith <ptsmith@indiana.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:06:26 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I'd like to implement the fastest possible binary counter in a Spartan
II.  Is the counter produced by coregen the fastest possible, or is
there a way to improve on what coregen comes up with?

Has anyone been able to buy a Spartan II device?  FindChips.com doesn't
find anything for XC2S.

Paul Smith

Article: 26506
Subject: Re: 5V compatible Virtex
From: Rick Filipkiewicz <rick@algor.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:07:34 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>


eml@riverside-machines.com.NOSPAM wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:12:09 +0100, Rick Filipkiewicz
> <rick@algor.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Jonas Thor wrote:
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I have a follow up question. Do you know of any 3.3V <-> 5V integrated
> >> translaters around? I can do the translation with a few discrete
> >> componentents but I rather use a IC. Any hints???
> >>
> >> / Jonas
> >>
> >
> >The best way is to use parts generically called ``QuickSwitch'' from the
> >company that first made them [now owned by IDT]. These are basically a bunch
> >of pass transistors that have the characteristic that the resistance
> >increases as the voltage on the driving size approaches the device's VCC.  In
> >effect they clamp the output side to about VCC - 0.7. For our 3.3V conversion
> >we power the 5V parts from a 3.9V supply. You can now get 3.3V versions which
> >we are about to use in the same way to get LVTTL <-> SSTL2 conversion.
> >
> >These parts have the huge advantage that they add almost no delay - about
> >250ps or so - in the transition range of 0 -> 3.0V where Ron stays at about
> >10R.
> >
> >The best place to look for this stuff is probably Pericom's web site.
>
> Also, the additional power supply is easier than it might seem. You
> can just use a diode to drop your 5V to ~4.3V, and power your
> QuickSwitch off that. I prefer an active diode, ie. a transistor and a
> resistor. You can get 8-bit bidirectional switching with just a
> transistor, a resistor, and something cheap like a QS3244.
>
> Evan

... or a resistor + 3.9V Zener. The resistor needs to be quite a low value - say
47R - since cheap low voltage Zeners seem to require a couple of 10's of mA to
keep Zenering.

NB I've actually run the 5V QS parts quite happily from the 3.3V supply but, since
there's no mention of VCC(min) in the data sheet we don't ship it like this.


Article: 26507
Subject: Re: Spartan II ?
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:22:22 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Fastest is going to depend on how the counter is used, as well as the width of
the counter.  If the counter is free running, for example, you can get really
fast by pipelining the carry, but it will cost you dearly in latency and area
(Coregen won't do that).  What kind of speeds are you looking at? width? counter
controls (loadable, resets, etc)?

Paul Smith wrote:
> 
> I'd like to implement the fastest possible binary counter in a Spartan
> II.  Is the counter produced by coregen the fastest possible, or is
> there a way to improve on what coregen comes up with?
> 
> Has anyone been able to buy a Spartan II device?  FindChips.com doesn't
> find anything for XC2S.

Yep.  Try Nu Horizons or Insight.  We got them from one of the two (not sure
which now).  We got XC2S50-5FG256

> 
> Paul Smith

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Article: 26508
Subject: Off subjuct, VHDL question
From: p25486@my-deja.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:22:48 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Sorry about being off topic, but I know alot of the regulers here have
experience with VHDL.

I'm trying to figure out a cool way to resize buses in low level
modules, but am running into a brain block on how to do it.

Basically, I want to pass a generic that defines the length of a count,
and have the required bus widths automatically figured out for me.

In the example below, I want to pass a maximum count length of 600
(SLOT_MAX), and have the output bus SLOT automatically change to
accomodate the max length.  Currently, I'm doing what is shown, passing
two generics.  I'd rather not have to pass two, because then I have to
make sure that wherever the two are eventually defined (like in my
package) that they must manually entered correctly.

Any nifty tricks, or things that I should have known anyway?

Thanks,

John


entity VSLOTNUM3 is
    generic(SLOT_MAX: integer := 600;	-- Number of slots to be
tracked.
	    SLOT_WIDTH: integer := 10);	-- Max number of bits in slot
value vector.
    port (
        CLK: in STD_LOGIC;	-- Clock input
        CE: in STD_LOGIC;	-- Clock enable
        CLR: in STD_LOGIC;	-- Synchronous reset
        SLOT: out STD_LOGIC_VECTOR (SLOT_WIDTH - 1 downto 0)	--
Current time slot number
    );

end VSLOTNUM3;


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

Article: 26509
Subject: two complement multiplier
From: "Seb C" <Seb@stien.bizland.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:14:50 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,

Someone know how to do a 2's complement multiplier with adders and others ??

How i can simulate with Xilinx FPGA soft, i don't understand the book,
because i'm not english ?? I can't do it !!

Thx

SEB

--
*****************************
 Seb@stien.bizland.com

*****************************



Article: 26510
Subject: XILINX Download cable with USB
From: Juergen Otterbach <juergen.otterbach@t-online.de>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:56:51 +0200
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Dear XILINX users,
for my evaluation board I want to use the download cable with the USB
port on a PC Client with two USB ports. Therefore I want to enable the
USB interface in NT. Does anybody give me a hint were to find a USB
driver? Does anybody have experience? Or should I do not even think of
it?

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Article: 26511
Subject: Re: Off subjuct, VHDL question
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:29:17 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
create a Log2 function to count bits.  It is a very useful function, which
belongs in a package where you can get at it for all your designs.  To make it
kosher for synthesizers, the easiest way to do the Log2 is to keep dividing by
zero until the quotient is zero.  COunt the iterations to get your Log.

p25486@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> Sorry about being off topic, but I know alot of the regulers here have
> experience with VHDL.
> 
> I'm trying to figure out a cool way to resize buses in low level
> modules, but am running into a brain block on how to do it.
> 
> Basically, I want to pass a generic that defines the length of a count,
> and have the required bus widths automatically figured out for me.
> 
> In the example below, I want to pass a maximum count length of 600
> (SLOT_MAX), and have the output bus SLOT automatically change to
> accomodate the max length.  Currently, I'm doing what is shown, passing
> two generics.  I'd rather not have to pass two, because then I have to
> make sure that wherever the two are eventually defined (like in my
> package) that they must manually entered correctly.
> 
> Any nifty tricks, or things that I should have known anyway?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> entity VSLOTNUM3 is
>     generic(SLOT_MAX: integer := 600;   -- Number of slots to be
> tracked.
>             SLOT_WIDTH: integer := 10); -- Max number of bits in slot
> value vector.
>     port (
>         CLK: in STD_LOGIC;      -- Clock input
>         CE: in STD_LOGIC;       -- Clock enable
>         CLR: in STD_LOGIC;      -- Synchronous reset
>         SLOT: out STD_LOGIC_VECTOR (SLOT_WIDTH - 1 downto 0)    --
> Current time slot number
>     );
> 
> end VSLOTNUM3;
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

-- 
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President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930     Fax 401/884-7950
email ray@andraka.com  
http://www.andraka.com  or http://www.fpga-guru.com

Article: 26512
Subject: Re: two complement multiplier
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:30:11 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I have a discussion on multipliers for FPGAs on my website.  You should find the
information you are looking for there.

Seb C wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Someone know how to do a 2's complement multiplier with adders and others ??
> 
> How i can simulate with Xilinx FPGA soft, i don't understand the book,
> because i'm not english ?? I can't do it !!
> 
> Thx
> 
> SEB
> 
> --
> *****************************
>  Seb@stien.bizland.com
> 
> *****************************

-- 
-Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930     Fax 401/884-7950
email ray@andraka.com  
http://www.andraka.com  or http://www.fpga-guru.com

Article: 26513
Subject: Re: XILINX Download cable with USB
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:32:28 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
USB is not supported in NT.  If you find a way to do it, please share it as
there are lots of us using NT.  For an NT box, you'll have to use either an old
xchecker, a parallel III cable, or the Multilinx with the parallel port
connection.

Juergen Otterbach wrote:
> 
> Dear XILINX users,
> for my evaluation board I want to use the download cable with the USB
> port on a PC Client with two USB ports. Therefore I want to enable the
> USB interface in NT. Does anybody give me a hint were to find a USB
> driver? Does anybody have experience? Or should I do not even think of
> it?

-- 
-Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930     Fax 401/884-7950
email ray@andraka.com  
http://www.andraka.com  or http://www.fpga-guru.com

Article: 26514
Subject: Re: source PROM 17512
From: Tom Burgess <tom.burgess@hia.nrc.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:28:51 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
You could take a look at the ATC17C512A on Atmel's site:
http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/select22.htm
I've used smaller parts from them and they seem
to work fine for Xilinx configuration.

regards, tom

Rascal wrote:
> 
> giuseppe ha scritto nel messaggio <8sjfla$k8q$1@fe2.cs.interbusiness.it>...
> :
> :A manufacturer of serial PROM (or Eprom or EEprom) 17C512 DIP 8pin, usable
> :to configure  FPGA similar to Xilinx XC17c512LPD8C but 5V not 3.3V.
> :
> I, too, have searched for something like that a few moths ago. Presently
> there seem to be no devices equivalent to Xilinx serial PROMs.

-- 
Tom Burgess
-- 
Digital Engineer
Dominion Radio Astrophysical Observatory
P.O. Box 248, Penticton, B.C.
Canada V2A 6K3

Article: 26515
Subject: Re: scripting with xilinx tools (foundation) ????
From: Petter Gustad <spam@gustad.com>
Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:46:50 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
"peter" <peter.brandt@softhome.net> writes:

> And what about the Alliance toolset ?  Synplify as precompiler, perfect
> (synplify does support scripting) but I would like to script the total flow.

It's possible with Alliance. I'm running Alliance under Solaris and
I'm running the various tools from a Tcl script. I haven't tried it
under NT, but it should work.

Petter
-- 
________________________________________________________________________
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int main(void) {printf ("petter\100gustad\056com\nmy opinions only\n");}

Article: 26516
Subject: Re: source PROM 17512
From: Tom Burgess <tom.burgess@hia.nrc.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:59:46 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Just checked again and Atmel has PDIP packages only up to 256K - beyond
that they only offer PLCC packages - sorry.

Tom Burgess wrote:
> 
> You could take a look at the ATC17C512A on Atmel's site:
> http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/select22.htm
> I've used smaller parts from them and they seem
> to work fine for Xilinx configuration.
> 
> regards, tom
> 
> Rascal wrote:
> >
> > giuseppe ha scritto nel messaggio <8sjfla$k8q$1@fe2.cs.interbusiness.it>...
> > :
> > :A manufacturer of serial PROM (or Eprom or EEprom) 17C512 DIP 8pin, usable
> > :to configure  FPGA similar to Xilinx XC17c512LPD8C but 5V not 3.3V.
> > :
> > I, too, have searched for something like that a few moths ago. Presently
> > there seem to be no devices equivalent to Xilinx serial PROMs.
> 

-- 
Tom Burgess
Digital Engineer
Dominion Radio Astrophysical Observatory
P.O. Box 248, Penticton, B.C.
Canada V2A 6K3

Article: 26517
Subject: Re: scripting with xilinx tools (foundation) ????
From: Dave Vanden Bout <devb@xess.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:48:14 -0400
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> As an asic designer, I used altera components for prototyping (realtime
> functional verification of subblocks) in the past.  Currently (new job), we
> are using the Xilinx environment.
> With the Altera (quartus) tool, I was able to completely script (tcl) the
> synthesis flow.  Just run a few scripts (like synopsys) to do the job.  No
> interactive stuff, no display stuff !  Automatisation and batch runs, a real
> need in a good design flow !
> But how about scripting in the foundation toolset ?  Is it not possible ?
> And what about the Alliance toolset ?  Synplify as precompiler, perfect
> (synplify does support scripting) but I would like to script the total flow.
>
> So, after desparately surfing the Xilinx website, is there anybody who knows
> how to do scripting with the Xilinx tools ?

We have a document on using makefiles to run Foundation at:

http://www.xess.com/manuals/fndmake.pdf.

Foundation also includes a new tool called xflow that is supposed to let you do
this as well.

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Article: 26518
Subject: Re: scripting with xilinx tools (foundation) ????
From: Brian Philofsky <brian.philofsky@xilinx.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:27:14 -0600
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Hello Peter,

     There is a command-line command called xflow which will take an EDIF file
and run it through the the Xilinx tools including bitstream creation and
simulation file creation.  Xflow is availible in Foundation, Alliance and ISE
packages.  You can run this command from a TCL script in Synplfy (or FPGA
Express or Leonardo or Modelsim or any TCL interface) if you wish using the
"exec" command, you can run it from a batch/shell script, or just type it on the
command-line.  You can run it with all default settings or customize the varoius
switches and design flow.  It is pretty simple to use and learn.  I find this
much easier to use than the TCL interface with Quartus and I am sure you will as
well once you get to know it a bit.

    Complete documentation on xflow can be found at:
http://toolbox.xilinx.com/docsan/3_1i/data/common/dev/chap22/dev22000.htm

   Hope this works for you.


--  Brian



peter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As an asic designer, I used altera components for prototyping (realtime
> functional verification of subblocks) in the past.  Currently (new job), we
> are using the Xilinx environment.
> With the Altera (quartus) tool, I was able to completely script (tcl) the
> synthesis flow.  Just run a few scripts (like synopsys) to do the job.  No
> interactive stuff, no display stuff !  Automatisation and batch runs, a real
> need in a good design flow !
> But how about scripting in the foundation toolset ?  Is it not possible ?
> And what about the Alliance toolset ?  Synplify as precompiler, perfect
> (synplify does support scripting) but I would like to script the total flow.
>
> So, after desparately surfing the Xilinx website, is there anybody who knows
> how to do scripting with the Xilinx tools ?
>
> regards,
>
> Peter

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Article: 26519
Subject: Off Subject- FPGA Jobs Available
From: Edwin <jobs4u@techie.com>
Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:45:59 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
email resumes to: jobs4u@techie.com

Project Description:

Our client is looking for FPGA(Field Programmable Gate Array) designers to work
on a major effort to become the embedded technology supplier of choice for the
world’s leading telecommunications and networking companies.  The project is
part of the effort to utilize FPGA designers to help develop a new line of CPU
boards, communication interfaces such as T1/E1 spans or fast serial ports) and
protocol subsystems that can be sold off the shelf to customers so that their
internal engineers and designers can utilize these platforms that will be used
to develop chips to be used in mobile phones and telecommunications equipment.

Day-to-Day Responsibilities:

Consultants or FPGA Designers (Field Programmable Gate Array) will be involved
with designing Programmable Logic Chips, otherwise known as PLD’s.  These PLD’s
make up a high density field of gates called FPGA Architectures.  The FPGA
designers will be involved with designing a “gate array” which is an unfinished
chip with electronic components that have not yet been connected.  The designer
will complete the chip by designing and adhering the top metal layers which
provide interconnecting pathways.    Once these chips are designed, then they
will be turned over to manufacturing for mass production.  These chips will make
up final products such as CPU boards, communication interfaces, and protocol
subsystems that will be used in the telecommunications industry.
There are a total of 9 groups for that have anywhere from 4 to 14 FPGA designers
and Hardware Engineers that are working on the 3 major products for different
customers.  Submitted candidates will be placed in groups that need the most
help.  This is a cross functional project environment.  Candidates will always
work under a principal engineer.  FPGA designers will track their performance
and product development with Microsoft Project that will be reported to the head
engineer.

Essential Skills:

Power PC
PCI Hardware and Software
VHDL
Embedded Hardware Design
3 years experience in the industry


Plus Skills:

View Logic (Schematic Capture Product)
Simulation Experience (Signal Quality or Timing Simulation experience)
UNIX Experience
Telecom Experience (T1/E1 Interfaces)


Edwin Matos
Resource Manager-National Division


Article: 26520
Subject: Re: Off subjuct, VHDL question
From: Kent Orthner <korthner@hotmail.nospam.com>
Date: 19 Oct 2000 09:58:47 +0900
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Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com> writes:
> create a Log2 function to count bits.  It is a very useful function, which
> belongs in a package where you can get at it for all your designs.  To make it
> kosher for synthesizers, the easiest way to do the Log2 is to keep dividing by
> zero until the quotient is zero.  COunt the iterations to get your Log.

Make that a "divide by two", and the answer will be a finite number of bits,
which fits in an FPGA easier!  (Sorry, Ray, couldn't resist.)

Here's the log2 function I wrote, if you want it.

  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  -- Base 2 log of Integer
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  function log2 ( num : integer) return integer is
    variable diviser : integer;                           -- Divided to form result
    variable acc     : integer;                             -- accumulates result
    
  begin
    diviser := num;
    acc := 0;
    LogLoop : while (diviser >= 2) loop
      diviser := diviser / 2;
      acc     := acc + 1;
    end loop LogLoop;
    return acc;
  end function log2;

-Kent

Article: 26521
Subject: Re: Off subjuct, VHDL question
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:22:43 GMT
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Gotta love then divide by zeros.  How else are we supposed to get an impulse
function anyway :-)

Anyway,here's mine:
function Log2( input:integer ) return integer is
	variable temp,log:integer;       
	begin
		temp:=input;
		log:=0;
		while (temp /= 0) loop
			temp:=temp/2;
			log:=log+1;
 		end loop;
 		return log;
 	end;-- function log2; 





Kent Orthner wrote:
> 
> Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com> writes:
> > create a Log2 function to count bits.  It is a very useful function, which
> > belongs in a package where you can get at it for all your designs.  To make it
> > kosher for synthesizers, the easiest way to do the Log2 is to keep dividing by
> > zero until the quotient is zero.  COunt the iterations to get your Log.
> 
> Make that a "divide by two", and the answer will be a finite number of bits,
> which fits in an FPGA easier!  (Sorry, Ray, couldn't resist.)
> 
> Here's the log2 function I wrote, if you want it.
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   -- Base 2 log of Integer
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   function log2 ( num : integer) return integer is
>     variable diviser : integer;                           -- Divided to form result
>     variable acc     : integer;                             -- accumulates result
> 
>   begin
>     diviser := num;
>     acc := 0;
>     LogLoop : while (diviser >= 2) loop
>       diviser := diviser / 2;
>       acc     := acc + 1;
>     end loop LogLoop;
>     return acc;
>   end function log2;
> 
> -Kent

-- 
-Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930     Fax 401/884-7950
email ray@andraka.com  
http://www.andraka.com  or http://www.fpga-guru.com

Article: 26522
Subject: Re: Amplify experience, was: FPGA Express strikes again! Xilinx response
From: Phil Hays <spampostmaster@sprynet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:00:50 -0700
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Ray Andraka wrote:

> The area constraints in 3.1 do work reasonably well with a hierarchical design.
> As for the naming of stuff, the part that does not keep the same name from run
> to run on the synthesizer is the inferred combinatorial logic.  Flip-flops tend
> to keep the names (I label everything) if you label your processes.  If you
> follow good high speed FPGA design so that your logic is mostly 1 level, then
> you can get away with floorplanning the flip-flops and leaving the luts off.

There are differences in the types of designs we do.  I have found that I both
need to put multiple levels of logic between flip-flops, and that at the speeds
I've done designs (up to 133 MHz), that I can put multiple levels of logic
between flip-flops with correct placement.  When using multiple levels of logic,
I have in the past hand mapped logic into entities and decorate these with the
correct magic to produce FMAPs.  These FMAPs have stable names, and can be
floorplanned.  Amplify gets almost as good of results, and is much easier and
faster.  Other than getting $$ from management.


> Hierarchy is the
> biggest help for reuse, rapid design and floorplanning.  The big designs tend to
> be made up of the same smaller pieces as the small designs, so it is very rare
> that I have to start a floorplan from scratch.

One thing I'd like to see in Amplify is hierarchical design.  It would be nice
on some designs to be able to floorplan an entity, and then step multiple copies
of that entity across a FPGA.  Or to floorplan an entity and move that to a
different design.


> One last thing, I run into people from time to time that tell me that you can't
> do million + gate designs this way (using Rlocs and fmaps).  The proof is in the
> pudding, though.  It is a quite successful flow for me.  I figure I've done well
> over 10 million Virtex gates in the last 8 months, the majority of those are
> being clocked over 100 MHz and every one of them is in a -4 (slow) part.  Yes,
> all of those designs have been floorplanned, and all but one have RLOCs and
> FMAPs embedded in the code.

I am impressed.  However, not all design gates are the same.  Some fairly large
designs are completely definable on a single page, and some smaller designs need
hundreds of pages to define them.  I seem to get the second type.

For your design style, I don't think that Amplify would help you much.  For me,
it does.


-- 
Phil Hays

Article: 26523
Subject: More errata. (Was: Re: Announce: Free HC11 CPU Core)
From: Joachim Strombergson <Joachim.Strombergson@Ericsson.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:51:51 +0200
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Aloha!

I started douing som testruns on the hc11rtl.vhd. I have found a few
gotchas:

(1) My synthesis tool didn't like the alias declaration of the mode bits (se
earlier post). I fixed this by creating a mode signal and doing a concurrent
assignment to it.

(2) Around row 1050, mode is used in the process control. mode is however
not in the sensitivity list for the process [1].

(3) During mapping to the target technology [2], the synthesis tool found
*lots* of timing loops. I will redo it and check a bit more thorough.

"S. Ramirez" wrote:
> Scott,
>      Is there a list of errata for this core?
> -Simon Ramirez, Consultant
>  Synchronous Design, Inc.

Notes:
-------
[1] Question: Are aliases to signals included in the sensitivity list
implicitly included in the sensitivity list? Tried to fathom the chapter
about alias in the LRM, but couldn't find/grasp if they are or not. If they
are, then problem (2) is due to the elimination of the alias declaration. If
not, there is a problem in the code.

[2] A modern DSM-technology. Let's see if we can get the HC11 to 250 MHz
shall we? ;-)
-- 
Med vänlig hälsning, Yours

Joachim Strömbergson - Alltid i harmonisk svängning
---------------- Ericsson Microwave Systems AB -----------------
Joachim Strömbergson            http://www.ericsson.se/microwave
     ASIC System on Silicon engineer, nice to CUTE animals.    
* Opinions above, expressed or implicit, are strictly personal *
------------- Spamfodder: regeringen@regeringen.se -------------

Article: 26524
Subject: Re: Spartan II ?
From: "Harjo Otten" <h.otten@rohill.nl>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:59:37 +0200
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> Yep.  Try Nu Horizons or Insight.  We got them from one of the two (not
sure
> which now).  We got XC2S50-5FG256

We've got our XC2S100-TQ144 from Insight.......

 H.







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